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Lycan Nibbler · Dec 19, 2008, 10:21 AM // 10:21

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Originally Posted by upier

IF someone happens to say that, I just tell them to give me a minute for me to check Guru to see what the normal price for the item is.

IF you are spamming WTB - then why havent you done that already??? Answer is, you will have before you start doing WTB as noone starts doing that without knowing the price range of the item they want.

I think you missed the point that the OP was actively seeking something ie WTB, not just seeing something in passing.

Wrath of m0o · Dec 19, 2008, 10:27 AM // 10:27

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Originally Posted by Miss Drops Az

Exactly.

When you are doing WTB then you are starting any transaction and need to be naming your price you are willing to buy - if you dont have one, then you are pretty stupid spamming WTB without a value in your mind.

Exactly wrong...excuse me Miss..but you need a checkup from the neck up.

I WTB Item..

I get multiple sellers telling me what they want for said item.

Player A wants X for item.
Player B wants Y for item.

I now take the best price and proceed to checkout.

You show me where, anywhere your theory of the buyer starting the sale works anywhere besides in Guild Wars.

Lycan Nibbler · Dec 19, 2008, 10:33 AM // 10:33

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Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

This is how i WTS..

Me - WTS Superior Vigor

PlayerX - How Much?

(I already know what im going to sell this thing for before i even post, or close to it)

Me - 17k

PlayerX - umm...16k

Me - Fine..storage

The WTS i have no problems with, its the WTB's with this offer some price thats in your head that i have to mindread. I dont know what you want for it so i have a hard time making an offer with nothing to go on here.
It is so much more logical to just say what you want for the thing in the first place, rather than pick an unknown figure you are going to be happy with.
Just tell us what you want for it..you will sell alot more stuff this way.
This offer me crap just pisses people off.

Its a simple concept to understand (The auction stuff was irrelevant as thats a different form of selling and nothing to do with a WTB).

In your example, you are starting a transaction by doing WTS, a person replies asking how much for, you give a price, they counter and you agree.

In the WTB example, you start the transaction by doing WTB, a person replies asking how much you are offering (a price), you give the price you are looking to buy for, they counter and you agree..

Why would you not follow your same protocol when you are seeking to buy as when you are seeking to sell? there is no mind reading needed, you know if you are willing to pay 10g or 1,000 ectos for what you are seeking.

This is how you should WTB..

Me - WTB Superior Vigor

PlayerX - How much are you buying for?

(I already know what im going to buy this thing for before i even post, or close to it)

Me - 16k

PlayerX - umm...17k is the lowest Im willing to go

Me - Fine..storage

QED

Lycan Nibbler · Dec 19, 2008, 10:44 AM // 10:44

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Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

Exactly wrong...excuse me Miss..but you need a checkup from the neck up.

I WTB Item..

I get multiple sellers telling me what they want for said item.

Player A wants X for item.
Player B wants Y for item.

I now take the best price and proceed to checkout.

You show me where, anywhere your theory of the buyer starting the sale works anywhere besides in Guild Wars.

YOU ARE NOT AT A CHECKOUT! THIS ISNT A STORE! LMAO You bring up suddenly "player A and player B" to cloud the original post where you were dealing with one person - now you are talking about something different in playing two people off against one another which is a totally different situation from your OP.

Excuse me Moo, but if you are going to start with the insults because you cant understand the simple concept that if you are saying that you want to buy then you are the one expected to have a price unless you are a scammer, then you are the one who needs some additional education.

The fact that you even started such a pathetic thread because you were a) too stupid, b) too stubborn, c) looking to scam someone or d) a combination of the above, to name a price you wanted to buy an item for - when you were the one typing WTB in trade - that you had to come onto guru to QQ about it is actually funny.

Needless to say, I will be ignoring any WTB I see from you as I am passing through towns, have a good day!

Traveller · Dec 19, 2008, 10:45 AM // 10:45

The reason for this is usually trying to see if they can get a price way above average from someone who doesn't know the "market" price. Sometimes they are just testing the waters, sometimes they wait until the end of time until someone pays 50k for their fungal wallow.

I usually just say I don't deal with "offer" people. Usually they will give me a price after that, and we can barter.

DarkGanni · Dec 19, 2008, 10:46 AM // 10:46

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Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

What part of the world do you go into a store, and there are absolutly no prices..you just say ill offer you 50 bucks for that T.V.
Why cant people tell you what they want to sell something for?
Isnt it easier to just tell someone how much you want for it, instead of waiting untill someone offers something more than its worth?

I know what you mean, that's how I see it aswell, I usually reply with "No thanks" and keep searching for the item I want. Most likely they are waiting for someone to offer more than it's worth OR they don't know the price of the item.

upier · Dec 19, 2008, 11:03 AM // 11:03

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Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

Thnx for that Upier...

99.333% of people who are selling things already do this.
You cant tell me that you have no idea what you want for it, so you want me to offer something that your happy with? Thats absured!!

Im going to go get gas tomorrow, walk into the station and say i need to fill my truck with gas...Ill give you 18 bucks for a full tank, lets see how that works out.

To quote you:

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Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

One of the biggest things that piss me off in this game, is the countless people that wont tell you how much they want for something.,

Me - WTB Superior Vigor

PlayerX - Offer?

Me - How much for it?

PlayerX - Offer?

Me - HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT FOR IT?

PlayerX - Offer?

Me - Forget it!
Me - WTB Superior Vigor

That means that the example you have given is only valid in 0.677% cases.
You don't THINK or DO it, you SAY it.
An "offer" vs "no U" bitchfight can't end in anything productive.
So to put an end to it - you show the other guy that you know what you are talking about. You show that you aren't easy bait. And if that freaks him out - well then, you probably won't get a good offer out of it.
And if it doesn't freak him out - just name your starting price.

Lyynyyrd · Dec 19, 2008, 11:07 AM // 11:07

Cause gw is full of idiots who don't understand that the barter system is outdated.

(gw players don't go outside / shopping)

Sjeng · Dec 19, 2008, 11:53 AM // 11:53

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Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

From now on whenever anyone hits me with "offer"?, im going to reply..two goats and a donkey.

LOL, I'm am SO remembering that one xD
Definately going to do that as well. I hate haggling.

Mr. Undisclosed · Dec 19, 2008, 12:11 PM // 12:11

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

You know, you could just offer what you will pay for the item, and avoid making a long rant.

But...that'd make sense!

Honestly when I ask for offers its because I'm not really sure how much it costs and am trying to find the price range its in. Never thought of it to try and get higher offers then deserved.

thelessa · Dec 19, 2008, 12:12 PM // 12:12

I always state a price when I want to buy something from another player, then we can haggle

Shayne Hawke · Dec 19, 2008, 12:50 PM // 12:50

The first person to mention a price in an exchange loses.

Also, people are looking to cheat stupid people because they think an item has a different worth than they expect, or they don't know the item's value themselves and want other players to tell them what it's really worth.

Damian979 · Dec 19, 2008, 03:07 PM // 15:07

comes from one of two things:

They think they are "power traders" (lol) in which case they want someone to overpay for the item which they probably underpaid to someone else who didn't know what it was worth.

They don't know what the item is actually worth and are too lazy to do some research to find the actual selling price.

Regardless, it is a given that whoever it is will go higher than what ever you initially bid so always bid low to get the price you want. If they still ask for more than it's worth then walk away and start a rant thread on guru.

DarkFlame · Dec 19, 2008, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

This is how i WTS..

Me - WTS Superior Vigor

PlayerX - How Much?
....
The WTS i have no problems with, its the WTB's with this offer some price thats in your head that i have to mindread. I dont know what you want for it so i have a hard time making an offer with nothing to go on here.

The fact that you don't put the price in the first line, that you would force the buyer to ask; you're already pulling the same damn thing. "How much?" is just the same as "Offer?" Why should PlayerX have to read your mind just to get the balling rolling on your WTS? And why should your WTB be different from your WTS? You know your price already, just make the offer and negotiate from there.

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It is so much more logical to just say what you want for the thing in the first place, rather than pick an unknown figure you are going to be happy with.

Agreed, so why do you have to be so difficult about it just because you're buying rather then selling? The rules are the same from both ends, you want the best price you can get for something. Because you initiate, you set the opening offer.

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Originally Posted by Wrath of m0o

You show me where, anywhere your theory of the buyer starting the sale works anywhere besides in Guild Wars.

Aren't these the business models behind Priceline and Expedia and other such sites? They work, don't they?

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Originally Posted by Traveller

The reason for this is usually trying to see if they can get a price way above average from someone who doesn't know the "market" price.

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Originally Posted by DarkGanni

Most likely they are waiting for someone to offer more than it's worth

But the reverse is also true. You guys are speaking from a WTS stand point, while OP comes from the other side. He's looking for someone to offer below average. Whether you're buying or selling, looking for the other party to make the first offer is essentially looking for someone to hang themselves. He's just upset that no one is biting.

@Sin City I don't give a damn where you grew up. You're more "more inclusive of and sympathetic" than I am, you know that how? I'm Chinese, not Korean, but I'm willing to bet you are neither. So you grew up sheltered in an American army base and were exposed to bits and pieces, so you know better? Bull, my culture and experience are far "more inclusive of and sympathetic" then yours will ever be. You don't get to defend that. Op uses it as a negative. So guess what, its a negative, its damn racist.

Yang Whirlwind · Dec 19, 2008, 04:08 PM // 16:08

As far as I can tell you are the one starting the problem. Next time use:

Me: WTB Superior Vigor - XXK (firm)

that should solve the problem.

I hate it, when people do not want to offer a price and gets mad at me for not wanting to offer a price

Keira Nightgale · Dec 19, 2008, 04:12 PM // 16:12

I agree with Yang there, if you're firm they will adapt, if you aren't then you will just start a game of guess the correct price.

Quaker · Dec 19, 2008, 04:13 PM // 16:13

A scenario (fiction).

I see a build I want to try - it uses a Greene Sword. I have no idea what a Greene Sword is or what it's worth.

So I say "WTB Greene Sword"

Meanwhile some guy has a Greene Sword, he has no idea what is worth, but it looks cool so he's keeping it. But, if the price is right, he'll sell it.

So some guy pm's me and says "How much are you offering?"

Me: (I don't know what they're worth, so...) "How much do you want?"

Some guy: (he doesn't know what it's worth, but he doesn't want to sell a 100k item for 10k, so...) "How much are you offering?"

Me: (I don't want to buy a 10k item for 100k, so...) "How much do you want?"

etc, etc, rinse & repeat.

The point: neither of these people are trying to "rip off" the other, but simply trying to not be ripped off. Sure, if they were into buying and selling, and/or they knew where to look, they could do a price check before hand, but the bottom line is, it's just normal people doing normal stuff.
Or, at least, it can be. There's no need to get your panties in a bunch over it.

Scythe O F Glory · Dec 19, 2008, 06:15 PM // 18:15

lol just make an offer, is it that hard? Negotiate with the guy instead of crying on guru.

Unreal Havoc · Dec 19, 2008, 06:34 PM // 18:34

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Originally Posted by Scythe O F Glory

lol just make an offer, is it that hard? Negotiate with the guy instead of crying on guru.

Please... don't make this easier than it needs to be.

Reverend Dr · Dec 19, 2008, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by Shayne Hawke

The first person to mention a price in an exchange loses.

NO! YOU ARE WRONG!

Seriously please stop perpetuating this idea. The person that makes the first offer sets the pace of the transaction. If you know your price, offer to buy under it, if you are selling offer to sell for more than your bottom. You set the pace, they either accept the offer more beneficial to you or they counter offer. If they counter offer you know that they are interested and you can hook them. If they don't counter offer then you know right then this trade isn't worth any moreof your time.

The only thing you lose out on are other people making grotesquely bad offers. Marking this as a loss is practically like saying you are looking to take advantage of poor trader (note: not scamming, lets not derail). There are plenty of much better ways to take advanage of somone that doesn't know what things are worth.